How many photos from your D750 have you observed affected by the banding issue?: Nikon FX SLR (DF, D1-D5, D600-D850) Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (2024)

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Tharaphita wrote:

Wow lol i want to see those hundreds of decent photos who chose 100-1000

There are more 100-1000 voters. Would still love to see some examples of these photos...

UhBre wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

I have only shot about 2000 frames, however I tested my D750 against a very bright led lamp at about one foot with the light at about 11 o'clock with a 24-85 lens w/o hood. I was able to reproduce the shaded flare three times. I don't normally shoot like that so no worries for me. I am not going to lose much sleep about it. If Nikon puts out a service advisory then I may send in my camera. I must say that the hysteria coming from some is as if someone had committed crime against humanity or possibly cyber vandalism.

Well, I think some people are just not happy with the fact Nikon won't even talk about it. It's almost weird they way they act about it.

Japanese cultural norms are difficult for western civilization to understand. Nikon may have cultural reasons that make admitting errors difficult. I know that this makes no difference to some. However it is a reasonable assumption if you look at their history.

LOL. And they have no cultural difficulties when they are outsourcing or using tax loopholes for instance.

I worked for a Taiwanese company for about seven years and was amazed at how good they were at exploiting cultural differences.We had a saying (The negotiating begins after the contract is signed.) As Japan got more westernized some of their people have acquired the same skills. I would think that someone who is a cultural dogmatist would look to exploit perceived weaknesses in other cultures without noticing their own flaws. Very much as individuals are only on a national basis. Human nature being what it is, many have trouble admitting mistakes, my self included. All I was saying is that Nikon's responses don't surprise me.

Rroldz wrote:

Mr Gadget wrote:

Daniel Lauring wrote:

Rroldz wrote:

Not a single one out of 25000 shots from mine has been affected by this supposed flaw..

25,000 shots!!! That is a crap load of picture taking. This camera wasn't released that long ago.

It was released on September 12, 2014 and if you assume that he took delivery of it on the day it was released as of yesterday he would have had it for 100 days. which works out to 250 per day, every day and if you assume that he shot 5 hrs per day he would be shooting at 50 per hour. He must be a run and gun shooter. Probably sports or wildlife.

I would hate to have to review and process all of that...

He is either doing a lot of focus stacked HDR panoramas, or he is doing long time-lapse sequences.

I include Video/stills presentations on receptions for wedding packages depending on clientele and just recently experimented with time lapse use for that purpose and have 4 lineup from Feb - April. This is the reason for that high shutter count. I've also got a D600 nearing its shutter life probably going to craigslist or ebay pretty soon.. Lol

I figured that it had to be something along those lines!

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Horshack wrote:

I'm feeling festive because I just sent out my Christmas Cards to friends

Lol very nice photo. Thanks for the laugh, seriously funny.

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Demoguy wrote:

UhBre wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

I have only shot about 2000 frames, however I tested my D750 against a very bright led lamp at about one foot with the light at about 11 o'clock with a 24-85 lens w/o hood. I was able to reproduce the shaded flare three times. I don't normally shoot like that so no worries for me. I am not going to lose much sleep about it. If Nikon puts out a service advisory then I may send in my camera. I must say that the hysteria coming from some is as if someone had committed crime against humanity or possibly cyber vandalism.

Well, I think some people are just not happy with the fact Nikon won't even talk about it. It's almost weird they way they act about it.

Japanese cultural norms are difficult for western civilization to understand. Nikon may have cultural reasons that make admitting errors difficult. I know that this makes no difference to some. However it is a reasonable assumption if you look at their history.

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LOL. And they have no cultural difficulties when they are outsourcing or using tax loopholes for instance.

I worked for a Taiwanese company for about seven years and was amazed at how good they were at exploiting cultural differences.We had a saying (The negotiating begins after the contract is signed.) As Japan got more westernized some of their people have acquired the same skills. I would think that someone who is a cultural dogmatist would look to exploit perceived weaknesses in other cultures without noticing their own flaws. Very much as individuals are only on a national basis. Human nature being what it is, many have trouble admitting mistakes, my self included. All I was saying is that Nikon's responses don't surprise me.

I guess that you are right, but in the modern global village adaptation to the global culture is a must. They are just hurting themselveswith no response.
I mean this issue is not that acute as D600 dust/oil fiasco especially if it can be solved with lens hood.In my opinion postponing the responsein D600 case did more damage than recognizing mistake earlier. No one is a perfect and as a result of denying their mistakes I will never buy Nikon equipment in the first 6 months of new product announcement.

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UhBre wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

UhBre wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

I have only shot about 2000 frames, however I tested my D750 against a very bright led lamp at about one foot with the light at about 11 o'clock with a 24-85 lens w/o hood. I was able to reproduce the shaded flare three times. I don't normally shoot like that so no worries for me. I am not going to lose much sleep about it. If Nikon puts out a service advisory then I may send in my camera. I must say that the hysteria coming from some is as if someone had committed crime against humanity or possibly cyber vandalism.

Well, I think some people are just not happy with the fact Nikon won't even talk about it. It's almost weird they way they act about it.

Japanese cultural norms are difficult for western civilization to understand. Nikon may have cultural reasons that make admitting errors difficult. I know that this makes no difference to some. However it is a reasonable assumption if you look at their history.

LOL. And they have no cultural difficulties when they are outsourcing or using tax loopholes for instance.

I worked for a Taiwanese company for about seven years and was amazed at how good they were at exploiting cultural differences.We had a saying (The negotiating begins after the contract is signed.) As Japan got more westernized some of their people have acquired the same skills. I would think that someone who is a cultural dogmatist would look to exploit perceived weaknesses in other cultures without noticing their own flaws. Very much as individuals are only on a national basis. Human nature being what it is, many have trouble admitting mistakes, my self included. All I was saying is that Nikon's responses don't surprise me.

I guess that you are right, but in the modern global village adaptation to the global culture is a must. They are just hurting themselves with no response.
I mean this issue is not that acute as D600 dust/oil fiasco especially if it can be solved with lens hood. In my opinion postponing the response in D600 case did more damage than recognizing mistake earlier. No one is a perfect and as a result of denying their mistakes I will never buy Nikon equipment in the first 6 months of new product announcement.

What is blowing my mind in relation to this issue is that I haven't come across a single instance of someone who has reported a serious impact of the problem actually picking up the phone and having a conversation with Nikon about it. If I had a camera that could even replicate this problem with a flashlight only, I would just pick up the phone and talk to the company.

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Rick_Hunter wrote:

Isn't it curious that we have about 70 votes now... and it's 59 votes for 0, 3 votes for 0-10, 6 votes for 100-1000... and not a single vote for 11-100. Something smells fishy here...

You might say that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

No doubt someone will be along to criticise these posts for apologising for Nikon...

sgoldswo wrote:

UhBre wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

UhBre wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

Demoguy wrote:

I have only shot about 2000 frames, however I tested my D750 against a very bright led lamp at about one foot with the light at about 11 o'clock with a 24-85 lens w/o hood. I was able to reproduce the shaded flare three times. I don't normally shoot like that so no worries for me. I am not going to lose much sleep about it. If Nikon puts out a service advisory then I may send in my camera. I must say that the hysteria coming from some is as if someone had committed crime against humanity or possibly cyber vandalism.

Well, I think some people are just not happy with the fact Nikon won't even talk about it. It's almost weird they way they act about it.

Japanese cultural norms are difficult for western civilization to understand. Nikon may have cultural reasons that make admitting errors difficult. I know that this makes no difference to some. However it is a reasonable assumption if you look at their history.

LOL. And they have no cultural difficulties when they are outsourcing or using tax loopholes for instance.

I worked for a Taiwanese company for about seven years and was amazed at how good they were at exploiting cultural differences.We had a saying (The negotiating begins after the contract is signed.) As Japan got more westernized some of their people have acquired the same skills. I would think that someone who is a cultural dogmatist would look to exploit perceived weaknesses in other cultures without noticing their own flaws. Very much as individuals are only on a national basis. Human nature being what it is, many have trouble admitting mistakes, my self included. All I was saying is that Nikon's responses don't surprise me.

I guess that you are right, but in the modern global village adaptation to the global culture is a must. They are just hurting themselves with no response.
I mean this issue is not that acute as D600 dust/oil fiasco especially if it can be solved with lens hood. In my opinion postponing the response in D600 case did more damage than recognizing mistake earlier. No one is a perfect and as a result of denying their mistakes I will never buy Nikon equipment in the first 6 months of new product announcement.

What is blowing my mind in relation to this issue is that I haven't come across a single instance of someone who has reported a serious impact of the problem actually picking up the phone and having a conversation with Nikon about it. If I had a camera that could even replicate this problem with a flashlight only, I would just pick up the phone and talk to the company.

On FM on person contacted Nikon Germany and another Nikon USA. For the latter the person send Nikon photos, after which he was told to send the body in. He's debating whether or not to do so because he's not sure they will fix it and also because he has to pay the shipping to get it there. I agree with you that it's a good ideas for affected bodies to be sent in, one so that we know whether Nikon can/will fix the issue but also so that awareness of the issue can percolate up through Nikon.

I would love to send mine in but unfortunately it's an import - I paid $1,490/USD after promotion rebates/credits and the deal was too good to pass up.

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Rick_Hunter wrote:

Isn't it curious that we have about 70 votes now... and it's 59 votes for 0, 3 votes for 0-10, 6 votes for 100-1000... and not a single vote for 11-100. Something smells fishy here...

... Given what it takes to produce the shadow. Unless you deliberately shoot , and shoot a lot, for artistic flare.

I suspect some people may intemperate the "100 - 1,000" answer to mean "I have read the reports, played with my D750, and found that I can produce this", so therefor I COULD reproduce this 100 or a 1,000 times. The caveat being standing in this one position, or aiming at this particular light bulb, etc.

To me, that's different from going out and taking pictures normally, in a variety of settings, and discovering that you have over 100 images with the shadow.

From that perspective, I could have answered 1,000: I found that with one specific LED light bulb, a Cree 5,000k "daylight" bulb, and a 50mm f1.8g, from a specific angle, and form 2' away, I can produce the shadow in LV. So theoretically I could have sat there and take 101 pictures with the shadow.

In real life shooting, I have not encountered this once, even with bright lights in roughly the same position over the top left side of the frame.

I'm not saying people are not encountering this in real life. Clearly they are. But I think I am also seeing people looking for it, and finding it, but in pictures I have seen, including the ones attached to these recent "found the problem\solution" links, none of these images are remarkable. None are usable, even artistically, IMHO, and would have been simply discarded because of the excessive flare.

sgoldswo wrote:

9ck wrote:

sgoldswo wrote:

This was suggested as an alternative question/poll and I think it's a valid one. I will start by saying I've seen zero affected pictures (of thousands of shots, some taken with the sun in the position I am told would result in banding in conditions of extreme contrast), nor have I been able to reproduce the effect/issue. However, even if you can produce a band with your D750, has this ever affected a real photo for you? If so, how many instances?

Please only post about your camera, not what you've read elsewhere...

Since this issue effects a very specific style of shooting - the only interesting question is how many of your back lit photos have been affected. The style with back light / flare is only a minor part of most photographers photos so the most interesting is to get experience from those who challenge the camera in these situations. No one is questioning the capabilities of the D750 under "normal" or even challenging conditions (low light / high contrast etc.)

To be clear - is it not useful to find out whether people have actually seen this in real world use? To me this smacks of the issue with respect to white spots on the D810. Perhaps an issue for some photographers, but a non-issue for the majority.

To answer your question, I regularly shoot both into the sun and with the sun just outside the frame, particularly at this time of year. I've never seen this effect with my D750 then, nor when I tried to create it in liveview using tungsten, CFL and LED lighting of various intensities and various extreme angles

If you have no bench mark the result is irrelevant / useless IMHO - no intention too be rude. This debate has got way too emotional and many here on DPR are not able too keep a rational approach too identifying / debating the "issue".

I would disagree that when the banding/reflection occurs, that the photo would not be any good anyway.

The reflection appears well past the point where lens flare vanishes, but only over a narrow angle, and most clearly if a very bright spot of sun or lamp is well out of the field of view in a fairly dark scene. The best photo I saw of this was a family in light shade under some trees, with spots of sun coming through the leaves. For many other images, the reflection occurs in a bright area (like the sky), which obscures the effect.

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sgoldswo wrote:

Rick_Hunter wrote:

Isn't it curious that we have about 70 votes now... and it's 59 votes for 0, 3 votes for 0-10, 6 votes for 100-1000... and not a single vote for 11-100. Something smells fishy here...

You might say that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

I can

There are 6 people wearing their tin foil hats to keep out CIA/NSA/Nikon mind control rays which are obviously affecting the rest of us.

No doubt someone will be along to criticise these posts for apologising for Nikon...

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Hello All,

I may be confusing the issue here, but what the OP is asking about is banding. That is patterned noise created in shadows or in extreme examples, across the whole image. What all are showing here in their examples are glare. It can, mostly, be attributed, but not limited to, the lens used.

As a part of my work I do some event photography, I recently shot a Christmas Children's play. One of my photos was severely under exposed. (3+ stops) It was a quick shot of the conductors in the dark, but I thought it was worth saving. After lifting the shadows and bringing the exposure up, it showed (some) banding. Mind you the original ISO was 6400, but after noise reduction and bringing only the black back down, the photo looked fine.

I can post the the photo as an example if needed for reference.

R Neihi wrote:

Hello All,

I may be confusing the issue here, but what the OP is asking about is banding. That is patterned noise created in shadows or in extreme examples, across the whole image. What all are showing here in their examples are glare. It can, mostly, be attributed, but not limited to, the lens used.

As a part of my work I do some event photography, I recently shot a Christmas Children's play. One of my photos was severely under exposed. (3+ stops) It was a quick shot of the conductors in the dark, but I thought it was worth saving. After lifting the shadows and bringing the exposure up, it showed (some) banding. Mind you the original ISO was 6400, but after noise reduction and bringing only the black back down, the photo looked fine.

I can post the the photo as an example if needed for reference.

I think the world has moved on a bit.

This is the new post D750 world where banding means something different...

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sgoldswo wrote:

This was suggested as an alternative question/poll and I think it's a valid one. I will start by saying I've seen zero affected pictures (of thousands of shots, some taken with the sun in the position I am told would result in banding in conditions of extreme contrast), nor have I been able to reproduce the effect/issue. However, even if you can produce a band with your D750, has this ever affected a real photo for you? If so, how many instances?

Please only post about your camera, not what you've read elsewhere...